"Time travel into the past, which is what people usually mean by time travel, is a much more uncertain proposition. There are many solutions to Einstein's equations of General Relativity that allow a person to follow a timeline that would result in her (or him) encountering herself--or her grandmother--at an earlier time. The problem is deciding whether these solutions represent situations that could occur in the real universe, or whether they are mere mathematical oddities incompatible with known physics. No experiment or observation has ever indicated that time travel is occurring in our universe. Much work has been done by theoretical physicists in the past decade to try to determine whether, in a universe that is initially without time travel, one can build a time machine--in other words, if it is possible to manipulate matter and the geometry of space-time in such a way as to create new paths that circle back in time." -ScientificAmerican.com
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The fundamental question of this debate is, "Is it possible to time travel to the past in a "Back to the Future" type format?" That is, could you travel into the past and meet your parents before you were born? Could you travel back to the "Wild West"?, ect., ect.
Thoughts?
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That said, I am not ready to rule it out forever. It's likely that new twist on technology will develop down the road that will make it possible.
It may take hundreds or thousands of years to advance technology enough to do this.
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http://www.debateisland.com/discussion/1563/the-universe-is-a-hologram
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Coulombs Law states that "Matter can not be created or destroyed". Matter is defined by something taking up space and having mass. Lets go to Einstein. E=MC^2. You are suggesting energy is matter. How can you be sure? We have yet to have an experiment prove positive that energy takes up space or has mass. We do however have experiments supporting E=MC^2. This is a statement that needs to be supported.
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Time is a human construct.
Time is how we regard and quantify the duration of events.
Time does not exist, it is intangible, without dimension.
An event which occurred in the past cannot be revisited, as it ceased to exist at its moment of completion.
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I could easily imagine it this way. Reality is a simulation, thus we are easily able to transport within the program to the recorded past.
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You mean for Mass to move at the speed of light, right? Heck, Einstein said that Mass is moving 182,282 times the speed of light in his E=MC^2 equation, so according to his equation, right now we are actually experiencing the past 186,282 times "before" the Big-Bang.
In other words if a "Big Crunch" would happen at exactly 14 Billion year ABB (After the Big Bang) we would have to wait 186,282 Big-Bangs (or 186,282 14 billion years) to arrive at our "present".
I love time travel, as much as I loved Star Trek, Star Wars and other science fiction shows.
As for exploring more planets, .. NASA artists are working on them as we speak. I like that Tatooine-like planet they've been exploring.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepler-16b.html
I mean just how many trillions of dollars does it take to come up with more sci-fi planets?
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Their are a lot of cool planets out their. One of my favoret ideas is the idea of two stars orbiting a planet. : )
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Thank you @Nope
Let's be realistic here, look how the "idea" - speed of light came about:
The first recorded discussion of the speed of light (I think) is in Aristotle (around 1620) where he quotes Empedocles as saying the light from the sun must take some time to reach the earth, but Aristotle himself apparently disagrees, and even Descartes thought that light traveled instantaneously. Galileo, unfairly as usual, in Two New Sciences (page 42) has Simplicio stating the Aristotelian position,
"The first real measurement of the speed of light came about half a century later, in 1676, by a Danish astronomer, Ole Römer, working at the Paris Observatory. He had made a systematic study of Io, one of the moons of Jupiter, which was eclipsed by Jupiter at regular intervals, as Io went around Jupiter in a circular orbit at a steady rate.
The first camera was invented almost 200 years later around 1816 by Nicéphore Niépce, so here is Ole Romer plotting dots with a pencil of their god Jupiter that he was made to believe was a planet, and those dark spots, moons, and he used this to do what?
To measure the "speed of light"
NOT to see if light had speed, but with the already indoctrinated blind-faith belief that light already had a speed, so he was measuring "light-speed", .. recording his results with a pencil on paper.
The light-speed idea was just philosophers fantasizing about magical places where their gods were, up there in the physical heavens and they adapted mathematics to prove their point. I can use mathematics to prove any point I want to make, all I have to do is to put the stars at a distance where they prove my math, and call them "planets" and have one of my Religious artists draw up how that planets surface looks like. Just like they do with our sun and the moon; they put our sun at a certain distance, and then enlarge it to where it fits with what we see. It's all magic with mathematics. After hundreds and hundreds of years, they are still correcting the "math" to fit better with what we see, .. especially now that we the common-folk have better, and better telescopes.
You said: "Fun fact the surface one neutron star has been found going the 25% the speed of light", .. and of course you can show me the math to prove it, correct!? "See that tiny speck of light, .. that's a neutron star, yep, and look, it's traveling at 7451.28 m/p/s, .. obviously, just like our calculations predict", .. LOL
First of all, relative to what is this sci-fi Neutron star traveling at 7451.28 m/p/s?
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* what evidence do we have that the stars in our heavens that our ancestors used to travel by, are really planets?
- they were named after pagan gods, so they have to be. Besides, we have thousands of artist rendered images of them, including their surface, and many, many movies that reveal that they are planets. Didn't you watch "Lost In Space"?
* that the moon is a physical dirt ball that was ripped off of earth billions and billions of years ago?
- NASA said so, and they had some of their men land on it, and brought back dirt and rocks that is just like we find here on earth. What more proof do you want? One of those rocks is a petrified wood we can find all over the world, if that doesn't coincide with our giant impact hypothesis, the co-formation theory and the capture, pull in, spin around and hold a big rock at 238,900 miles from us for billions of years facts, then nothing will because you hate science!
* That the sun is 93 million miles away?
- because it's 432,288 miles wide, now do the math yourself, .. Duh!?
* That man can go in our second heaven where the stars are?
- See how those spoiled and proud Rich billionaire German kids at NASA shoot up rockets, well that proves we can go to earths second heaven where the stars are, and visit our gods like Mars, Jupiter and the moon, OK!? That's where you taxpayers billions of dollars spent ISS is, in star-heaven, didn't you see the live-feeds? It's where the filthy rich NASA-children do a lot of scientific experiments like; back flips and the water-squirting experiments!? This is why we ask for more funds, like extra trillion dollars for the next few years to keep the Rich-German children ISS science lab open, for more back flips and water squirting science experiments. How do you think the technology for your cell phone came about? Yep, .. it was the back-flips.
* That light has speed?
Does Jupiter have 666 moons of which some go in elliptical orbit around Jupiter or not? Well, there you go, this proves that light travels at 'C'.
"But I thought that light travels at 186,282 m/p/s?"
A. We don't like to use actual numbers to define the speed of light, 'C' works much better in our equations. In some cases, like the answer to the Big Picture, we even square C, like so: C^2.
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Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone at home?
Come on now
I hear you're feeling down
Well I can ease your pain
Get you on your feet again
Relax
I'll need some information first
Just the basic facts
Can you show me where it hurts?
A distant ship smoke on the horizon
You are only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
When I was a child I had a fever
My hands felt just like two balloons
Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain you would not understand
This is not how I am
I have become comfortably numb
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Time travel to the future on the other hand is reasonably possible. You merely need acceleration for that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_paradox
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Paradoxes;
The only paradoxes time travel can created is imaginary ones, just like the idea "time travel".
Time travel by acceleration;
Now I have been asking this for a very long time regarding time, and what happens to it traveling near or at speed of light, .. and never get a straight answer, or is completely avoided? So I kindly ask you guys here again:
Let's use the Twin Paradox, where one of the twins takes off on a NASA Interstellar Spaceship to the Dagobah system, .. this Space-twin cranks up NASA's New Gravity-engines that run on compressed vacuum, and get's up to 99.9% of the speed of light.
Q. Who is 'time-dilating', the twin still on earth, or the twin in the NASA-spaceship?
Can ANYONE answer me this? You can use the results of the Hafele and Keating experiment which was a test of the theory of relativity In October 1971 to go back in time, .. and according to them, they did, and the proof was right there in the atomic clocks, .. or so they say!? If you use the Hafele & Keating experiment, tell me why their clocks showed less passage of time over the clocks on the ground?
Thank you.
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Hello @averyapro I agree that time travel is possible, but only in the sci-fi Matrix that people have been made to believe we live in today, .. but not in Gods created reality.
Time, and time-travel is only real in this sci-fi reality.
The Nazis did win, they came and took over the US, then the whole world, it was called "Operation Paperclip", and gave Americans an alternate reality sci-fi space to live in. They changed the Bibles history where it says: "God created the Heaven and the Earth" with the Religious doctrine; "Something out of nothing, and then a Big-Bang, and wha-la, the rest just created itself!"
They have turned man into an evolving animal, an ape, and continue doing experiments on us the same way scientists used to on animals before. Todays experiments on us are done through;
* Chem Trails,
* Microwave Cell phone towers,
* HAARP,
* Radiation and chemo therapy,
* different drugs on the streets,
* poisons in our water,
* the destruction of morality (GLBT Agenda) where people are dying of all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases, where millions are dying throughout the world yet no longer allowed to be mentioned in the media!
So they didn't loose the war, but now can proceed with the whole world that they labeled; animal human population, while keeping us working and paying for our own experimentation, and extermination. Just like in the movie "The Matrix" we have been rendered docile (in a cocoon) given smart phones, TV-reality shows to live in when we're done working to feed this demonic horde, this machine void of empathy.
We don't have to go back in time to change history, we can do it here and now, and @Erfisflat is doing a good job bringing us back to the Flat Earth, which brings us right back to our Infinite Creator God. So we no longer have to live in an imaginary sci-fi Matrix that was created by Satan and his minions.
To change the past, we have to act now, because just like tomorrow, the past is Now!
God bless you.
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"The only paradoxes time travel can created is imaginary ones, just like the idea "time travel"."
Time travel isn't imaginary, you merely need acceleration in relation to another object.
"Q. Who is 'time-dilating', the twin still on earth, or the twin in the NASA-spaceship?"
Both. Time dilation is a difference in the passage of time in relation to two or more objects. In your senario, an object is stationary in comparison to one going near C. Resulting in a time dilation in relation to those two objects.
If your looking for the specific math you use Lorentz transformation to find the difference between two objects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation
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@EmeryPearson - Time travel isn't imaginary, you merely need acceleration in relation to another object.
Imagine two objects in space, .. two ships A and B distancing from each other with greater and greater speed. So which "object/ship" is time-dilating? better yet, which ship is accelerating away from the other?
Evidence asked; "Q. Who is 'time-dilating', the twin still on earth, or the twin in the NASA-spaceship?"
EmeryPearson - Both.
So both twins are time dilating?
Time dilation is a difference in the passage of time in relation to two or more objects. In your senario, an object is stationary in comparison to one going near C. Resulting in a time dilation in relation to those two objects.
The distance between the two ships (with clocks on them) is increasing, we can see and measure that. According to Einstein, speed is relative, so for the twin 'A' on earth, the brother 'B' is accelerating away from him, and according to Twin 'B' in the ship it's the twin 'A' that's accelerating away from him. The twins are 'distancing' away from each other at the same rate.
My question is: On what basis does Mother Nature and Father Time choose which person is to age less (time dilate), and which one is stationary since both are distancing away from each other!?
Thank you.
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@someone234 - how would you travel to the past and not the future? Time is imaginary. We can have two clocks, one, an hour slower in a day from the other. What effects will any of that have on reality as we know it?
Thanks.
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@someone234
The machine will stay where it's at, and so will anyone sitting in it. And if the entity you mean God, He is both Infinite and Eternal, .. so He IS the past, present and the future.
Here is what Jesus told us about changing the past: "Repent", make right the wrongs we've done, and stop doing them, .. thus changing the future.
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"Imagine two objects in space, .. two ships A and B distancing from each other with greater and greater speed. So which "object/ship" is time-dilating? better yet, which ship is accelerating away from the other?"
This is a misconception, an inertial reference(Object) doesn't appear dilate unless in comparison to another inertial reference.
Which one is dilating is based on which inertial reference your observing from.
If your observing from Earth, it appears if time is nearly stopped on the ship, if your observing from the ship, the passage of time has accelerated on Earth. There is no Father Time or Mother Earth, there is only the inertial reference your measuring from.
The Lorentz transformation for example requires two inertial references to calculate, if you are to use a singular reference as you suggest, you will measure no dilation.
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Tell me this, what is the difference in Velocity between an anchored Aircraft Carrier sitting still on the water, and a jet that takes off from it traveling at 300mph?
Remember I asked for the Velocity between the: "anchored Aircraft Carrier, and the Jet", .. just like the Hafele and Keating experiment.
If your observing from Earth, it appears if time is nearly stopped on the ship, if your observing from the ship, the passage of time has accelerated on Earth.
What you're talking about is this imaginary "time", using a magic trick to give credibility to Einstein's Relativity which has been twisted by pseudoscience to justify the BB-theory. Since everyone knows that traveling 400mph from point A to point B takes less time than traveling 3mph, you guys call this "Time Dilation"
<They just erased everything I wrote passed this. The hell with you guys, the hell with debating, God has abandoned us and allowed the Germans and their god to rule over us!>
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@EmeryPearson said; The Lorentz transformation for example requires two inertial references to calculate, if you are to use a singular reference as you suggest, you will measure no dilation.
Do you know what the Lorentz Transformation is? It's: The faster you travel, the less time it takes to get there. When you reach 'instant', .. time stops, .. well Duh!
Only they call this (faster you go, less time it takes) "time dilation", and 'Instant' they call the "speed of light", which is NEVER used as 186,282m/p/s but with the letter C. This way all their formulas they show college kids work, using 'C' for speed of light, not the actual numbers.
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Time travel to both the past, and the future is possible, .. to the past, just do everything slower, you will be always behind.
To the future, move fast, real fast and you'll be always ahead. The Lorentz Factor shows that the faster we travel, time dilates, meaning the more time you will have on your hands.
Twin Paradox Experiment:
Twin A take the plane from LA to NYC flying at 400 mph, while his brother twin B walks at 3.5mph
Twin A is there in 7 hours
twin B in 800 hours
Twin A has 793 hours in the future to do as he wishes while waiting for his brother to arrive.
So according to Einstein's Relativity and the Lorenz Transformation, if Twin A was to travel at the speed of "instant" (AKA 'the speed of light'), time for him on this trip would have stopped, and he'd be there in no-time, and he would have to wait in the future 800 hours for his brother to arrive.
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Your change in wording is irrelevant, your still describing acceleration. Velocity and acceleration is realitive to which object your measuring from. This is again, a lack of comprehension.
"What you're talking about is this imaginary "time", using a magic trick to give credibility to Einstein's Relativity which has been twisted by pseudoscience to justify the BB-theory. Since everyone knows that traveling 400mph from point A to point B takes less time than traveling 3mph, you guys call this "Time Dilation"
Time is not imaginary, else you could not measure it. Events would be unable to proceed or precede each other. This is pretty basic stuff.
"Do you know what the Lorentz Transformation is? It's: The faster you travel, the less time it takes to get there. When you reach 'instant', .. time stops, .. well Duh!"
This is incorrect. You've already stated that that the Hafele and Keating experiment showed time dilation. If the Lorentz Transformation isn't accurate, your claims wouldn't be possible, they wouldn't have been able to mathematically demonstrate how to convert relative time from one location to another. Were you wrong then, or wrong now?
"Only they call this (faster you go, less time it takes) "time dilation", and 'Instant' they call the "speed of light", which is NEVER used as 186,282m/p/s but with the letter C. This way all their formulas they show college kids work, using 'C' for speed of light, not the actual numbers."
Do variables in algebra also confuse you this much? The use of letters in math can be difficult to grasp I know, but that doesn't invalidate science.
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@EmeryPearson Your change in wording is irrelevant, your still describing acceleration. Velocity and acceleration is realitive to which object your measuring from. This is again, a lack of comprehension.
Please explain how measuring two objects 'A' and 'B' 'distancing' each other is wrong?
If you measure from 'A', then B is moving, .. if you are measuring it from 'B', .. then it's 'A' moving, irrelevant which is stationary, or if both are traveling at different speed away from each other.
Time is not imaginary, else you could not measure it. Events would be unable to proceed or precede each other. This is pretty basic stuff.
Wait, are you serious? Do you really mean that: "Events would be unable to proceed or precede each other"?? That if we never used the word "time" you believe everything would stop?
As I said, "events will proceed whether or not you are measuring it. Time is not real, events happen!".
Look, when we say "one year", we mean about 365 sun rises, right? When I tell my kids: "School!", they know it's 8 hours of sitting in different classes studying different subjects, right? We are not measuring 'time', but sun ups, to sun ups that we call days, .. and classes where kids study, events. We just call it "time", but the actual events exist with or without measurement, or whether or not we call it "time". And yes, this IS pretty basic stuff.
Evidence said: "Do you know what the Lorentz Transformation is? It's: The faster you travel, the less time it takes to get there. When you reach 'instant', .. time stops, .. well Duh!"
This is incorrect. You've already stated that that the Hafele and Keating experiment showed time dilation.
Yes, the Hafele and Keating experiment shown time dilation like Siegfried & Roy shown their white Tigers disappear on stage. In both cases these are typical German magic tricks, and both making a lot of money.
If the Lorentz Transformation isn't accurate, your claims wouldn't be possible, they wouldn't have been able to mathematically demonstrate how to convert relative time from one location to another. Were you wrong then, or wrong now?
Anything that has to do with the BB-Expanding Vacuum, Spacetime Fabric is science fiction, they are all distorted real science observations. Yes, we can measure speed by two objects distancing from each other, but time dilation and the other "special relativistic effects" is science fiction. Just like calling stars 'planets', and giving them names of pagan gods. "Mars" is a star, not a god-planet.
Here is a good example of the Lorentz distortions; take a ten-speed bike
now make the 'chainring' into a clock.
Now put it in 1st gear and paddle one rotation per second.
The bike will travel about 10 feet per rotation (per second)
Now put it in 10th gear, and paddle. We will get about a foot per rotation (per second)
This is what Lorentz "transformed" time and speed into; the faster the bike moves, the slower the time (chainring) moves. And in 10th gear, the slower the bike moves, the faster the time (chainring) passes.
Lol, see how easy it is to use real science to create science fiction? And now we can add this also to the plethora of "distorted evidence" for time travel and time dilation.
Do variables in algebra also confuse you this much? The use of letters in math can be difficult to grasp I know, but that doesn't invalidate science
Oh no, I'm not confused using algebraic variables, .. I just don't like it when it's used to hide the truth, and there is a huge difference between something traveling at 34,700,983,524 m/p/s and something traveling at 'C'.
Here is the truth:
E=MC^2
Einstein specifically said that nothing, or no thing can travel faster than light, yet here he has Mass traveling at 186,282 times faster than the speed of light, .. or 34,700,983,524 m/p/s. What principalities and powers of darkness made this Jew in Jew-hating Germany state something like this?
Could it of been the German created, Godless NASA, or more like SATAN universe where humans are labeled; animals?
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It's not? This describes velocity. From that statement I know they are moving a speed in relation to each other, and a basic direction, opposite of one another. Velocity is speed and direction. I have no issue with your wording, I am unsure why you believe I do.
"Wait, are you serious? Do you really mean that: "Events would be unable to proceed or precede each other"?? That if we never used the word "time" you believe everything would stop?"
You stated time did not exist. I am operating off your premise. Time is independent of human existence, so the word is irrelevant.
"As I said, "events will proceed whether or not you are measuring it. Time is not real, events happen!"."
This is nonsense, if events can proceed, then you've measured some sort of chronological order. You're contradicting yourself.
"Look, when we say "one year", we mean about 365 sun rises, right? When I tell my kids: "School!", they know it's 8 hours of sitting in different classes studying different subjects, right? We are not measuring 'time', but sun ups, to sun ups that we call days, .. and classeswhere kids study, events. We just call it "time", but the actual events exist with or without measurement, or whether or not we call it "time". And yes, this IS pretty basic stuff."
You measured time in multiple times here. You're doing all the work for me.
"Yes, the Hafele and Keating experiment shown time dilation like Siegfried & Roy shown their white Tigers disappear on stage. In both cases these are typical German magic tricks, and both making a lot of money."
Are you able to provide a mathematical model to better explain why we observe relativity? Without one, there isn't much reason to discard the Lorentz transformation, as it works. You can accurately describe the dilation between two interial references with it.
"Anything that has to do with the BB-Expanding Vacuum, Spacetime Fabric is science fiction, they are all distorted real science observations. "
And your rejection of them is based of emotion, rather than Evidence. Which is a bit ironic considering your name.
"Yes, we can measure speed by two objects distancing from each other, but time dilation and the other "special relativistic effects" is science fiction"
https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.7951
Time dilation has been affirmed multiple times. Without evidence to the contrary, there's no particular reason to believe this to be true.
I am not able to make sense of your bike example. A better example would be a stationary bike, and a moving bike. Limited to two reference points, the stationary bike would perceive time as passing slower, the moving bike would perceive time as passing faster.
"Oh no, I'm not confused using algebraic variables, .. I just don't like it when it's used to hide the truth, and there is a huge difference between something traveling at 34,700,983,524 m/p/s and something traveling at 'C'."
This is not how math works. c represents a value, not a letter. This is a high-school level explanation on how letters came to be used in math.
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/how-did-letters-become-part-math-409016
"Einstein specifically said that nothing, or no thing can travel faster than light, yet here he has Mass traveling at 186,282 times fasterthan the speed of light, .. or 34,700,983,524 m/p/s"
This is incorrect c = 186,282 Mps, not 34,700,983,524 Mps.
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It's not? This describes velocity. From that statement I know they are moving a speed in relation to each other, and a basic direction, opposite of one another. Velocity is speed and direction. I have no issue with your wording, I am unsure why you believe I do.
Great, so we agree that all we have is two atomic clocks "distancing" each other, correct?! They could be both moving away from each other, or one could be moving and the other standing still like in the Hafele and Keating experiment, in either case the clocks are distancing from each other, .. right?
So tell me; if there is no difference between one clock in the Airliner that Hafele and Keating is on traveling away from the clock that's on the Base on the ground, or if the Base with the clock in it was moving away from the plane that Hafele and Keating was sitting in on the ground at the airport. In both cases all we have is the two clocks "distancing" each other. Now tell us why one of the clocks (in either the plane, or on the base) would experience time dilation?
"Wait, are you serious? Do you really mean that: "Events would be unable to proceed or precede each other"?? That if we never used the word "time" you believe everything would stop?"
You stated time did not exist. I am operating off your premise. Time is independent of human existence, so the word is irrelevant.
Please explain how "time" would exist without clocks, or us counting, measuring events?
What do you think time meant for Adam and Eve when they were living in Eternity?
Genesis 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
There is no time mentioned in the Bible in the Garden, because just as God in creating, Adam and Eve lived by events: "Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day". These events could vary by millions of todays fallen mans "years" that don't exist, but in eternity, time is irrelevant, useless. It only exists because we are dying, so God invented a way for us to keep track of events, sun dials, clocks, but these don't measure, or create time.
Tell me, .. If I had a slow watch, you think I will be able to do more in a day?
Just like measuring three feet off a piece of wood, the wood exists, but not the "three feet". There is nothing that you can do with "three feet", just as there is nothing you can do with if I gave you 8hours of time.
"As I said, "events will proceed whether or not you are measuring it. Time is not real, events happen!".
This is nonsense, if events can proceed, then you've measured some sort of chronological order. You're contradicting yourself.
Events happen, and by saying events proceed, you are counting them, this is how time exists, counting, keeping track of "events", we just call them time. The events are real, look: "event, event, event", now we can count them and we can say we have "three events, oh let's say; 1 hour long". Which could you use, the event, event, event, .. or the three hours?
Do you think the six days that God took to build up the world again were all the same? That God has a set time for a Day?
Of course not. With God, a day could be like a thousand years for us! God listed six events, no time involved whatsoever.
"Look, when we say "one year", we mean about 365 sun rises, right? When I tell my kids: "School!", they know it's 8 hours of sitting in different classes studying different subjects, right? We are not measuring 'time', but sun ups, to sun ups that we call days, .. and classes where kids study, events. We just call it "time", but the actual events exist with or without measurement, or whether or not we call it "time". And yes, this IS pretty basic stuff."
You measured time in multiple times here. You're doing all the work for me.
I measured events, not time. Time doesn't exist, but "measuring events" do. We just call it time, .. are you so dull? Here, let me give you six feet, see if you could buy some 'time' with it? Wait, I'm sorry I called you dull, you may not had any basic education, and what little you did learn was public MK-Ultra. This is not your fault.
"Yes, the Hafele and Keating experiment shown time dilation like Siegfried & Roy shown their white Tigers disappear on stage. In both cases these are typical German magic tricks, and both making a lot of money."
Are you able to provide a mathematical model to better explain why we observe relativity? Without one, there isn't much reason to discard the Lorentz transformation, as it works. You can accurately describe the dilation between two interial references with it.
Really? Then tell me why the atomic clock in the airliner that Hafele and Keating was riding in supposedly had less time on it than the clock on the ground Base? Both clocks were "distancing" from each other, so why did one record less time, and not the other?
"Anything that has to do with the BB-Expanding Vacuum, Spacetime Fabric is science fiction, they are all distorted real science observations. "
And your rejection of them is based of emotion, rather than Evidence. Which is a bit ironic considering your name.
I reject lies because I see no evidence. I am not "Evidence", .. "I seek evidence" with substance.
"Yes, we can measure speed by two objects distancing from each other, but time dilation and the other "special relativistic effects" is science fiction"
https://arxiv.org/abs/1409.7951
Time dilation has been affirmed multiple times. Without evidence to the contrary, there's no particular reason to believe this to be true.
Time dilation has NEVER been affirmed, it's as science fiction as gravity is, and NASA's moon landing was. You, nor anyone on earth so far could even explain why one clock that's distancing away from another would experience some Twilight Zone effect like time dilation? Why?
Why one and not the other, huh?
You see, you can't explain, because you need this special relativistic garbage to keep the Billions and billions of dollars rolling in to NASA and to CERN, so they can have the money to destroy the earth and humanity!
I am not able to make sense of your bike example. A better example would be a stationary bike, and a moving bike. Limited to two reference points, the stationary bike would perceive time as passing slower, the moving bike would perceive time as passing faster.
I shown you the magic trick in Einstein's special relativistic effects that tried to prove that time was real. As I shown you that there is no reason for two clocks distancing each other, that one should whack out and show less time than the other?
I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to give a reason why this should happen?
Here, how about this, maybe this will wake you up from the MK-NASATAN-Ultra hold on you?
Spread out your arms wearing a watch on each arm, and then slap both your hands together at let's say 10mph
Now do the same thing, hitting your palms together with the same speed, only have one hand standing still.
What different effect did you notice? Did one of your watches show less time?
Which one?
"Oh no, I'm not confused using algebraic variables, .. I just don't like it when it's used to hide the truth, and there is a huge difference between something traveling at 34,700,983,524 m/p/s and something traveling at 'C'."
This is not how math works. c represents a value, not a letter. This is a high-school level explanation on how letters came to be used in math.
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/how-did-letters-become-part-math-409016
You said: "This is not how math works. c represents a value, not a letter."
So now 'C' is not a letter?
As for letters being part of math, so can beads in a wire be part of math, .. did you know that? It's called the abacus, starts with an 'A'.
"Einstein specifically said that nothing, or no thing can travel faster than light, yet here he has Mass traveling at 186,282 times fasterthan the speed of light, .. or 34,700,983,524 m/p/s"
This is incorrect c = 186,282 Mps, not 34,700,983,524 Mps.
Oh man, you have been way too MK-Ultra'd, can't teach you anything. So not only are you unable to tell me why; one clock from two clocks distancing each other would run slower, but C is not a letter, and C^2 is not 34,700,983,524 m/p/s!?
Do you even know what Einstein's 'C' stands for? It stands for the "speed of light"., and does NOT stand for 186,282mps. Speed Of Light, .. 'C', where the value can vary anywhere from zero, to 186,282 m/p/s.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99111&page=1
Please notice that in the above article (and many other science articles) the "speed of light" is given a value of 186,000m/p/s that's 282 m/p/s slower than in other science articles on the speed of light, because the value of "C", as I said, can vary greatly, so the only thing that stays the same is the 'C'.
We can assign G for gravity, doesn't mean it exists.
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God is real, The Only Possible Infinite and Eternal Creator "I Am", .. and that He created the Heaven and the Earth. Heaven a Spiritual realm (labeled as 'up') where God has His throne, and Earth as a physical realm (labeled as 'down') which He calls his "Footstool". Then, (as we read in Genesis) when earth was in chaos covered in the abyss of water, God cleaned it up, and created two smaller heavens; the air where the birds fly (our atmosphere) and the heaven where the stars are.
Time travel, Einstein's Special Relativity, gravity, the vacuum Space-fabric and so on, is a thing of science fiction, which today is maintained by pseudoscience, propagated by the all-powerful One World Religious cult that includes the Vatican, NASA, CERN, Space-X, UN and hundreds of other smaller sister scientific organizations whose Leaders openly worship Satan. Using their LUCIFER telescope, they observe demonic activity in earths supernatural realm, specifically keeping their eye on the sun, their sun-god which is then interpreted by Christian Diviners who got their degree in Divination from accredited Jesuit built Schools of Divinity and Trinity Colleges.
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Time and space both exist and are mathematic.
Space is written as X, Y, and Z it is empty. Time is written as Degree, Hour, Minute, and Second. Traveling back in time might be better worded as traveling back in history as Time is described by mathematical laws and principles that are absolute. Which means Time has been described as an object used as measurement it is not like a map of place or area.
Again a motion measured by Absolute Time could not be reached unless the absolute time was maintained. To make that decision a person needs some basic math skill with ratio. Time is a ratio of (12:60, 1:60, 1:60) there are 720 degrees to every day which is to rotations at 360 degrees, 12 portions of 60 degrees. Every 15 degrees is one Hour, every 60 minutes is also one hour, every 60 seconds in one minute. Time uses angles in a circle to plot distance as a way to create a size difference between circles.
The idea of time by math principle is to explain the method of Pi using two circles of different area not one circle with one area.
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I am working on a drawing that is not to mathematic scale but gives a much better view of what is not put into words simply as it notes numerical notions in principle not fixed equation. Explaining fix equation as a number set by experiment because finding all results to formulate a real outcome is to complicated and time consuming.
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Thank you John, but sorry, what you are describing is 'mathematics' and not time nor space.
How about colors, do they exist? Yes, let's see if colors exist, even though Newton said color is not inherent in objects, which I agree, .. but I say color is mathematic also;
.. and we could philosophies and build all kinds of universes based on the math of colors.
Like I said in my previous post, I can take a tape measure and measure you out 10 feet, but all you will have is the math: 10', totally useless because it doesn't really exist, just like if I gave you 10 years of time, or 10 miles of space, you will not be able to use either one, because they don't exist.
What does exist is the medium, not space. And should there be two objects moving in that medium, we could call that time, etc and so on.
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@John_C_87
Yes, sounds interesting, and I would like to see the drawing when you're done, .. only how will that make time or space real?
Like Infinite/God is, .. umm, well can't say "real", but we can say He exists, but time and space with a drawing or numbers, you are only changing the mediums, doesn't make either time or space 'real'.
Like this video;
it starts out logical, then they throw in the imaginary "outer space" and totally mess it up. I mean even before I knew about Einstein's take on time, I envisioned time as frames on a film reel, just as Einstein did. But look, in the beginning of the video they even show a horse running, all captured in frames right? So where does this change with the "alien riding a bicycle away from Globe Earth? Isn't the alien riding a bicycle also captured by frames?"
It's all a deception to try to keep the imaginary BB-universe alive and exciting for us brainwashed sheeple, by introducing 'time travel' through pseudoscience sci-fi rhetoric.
What I been working on is trying to figure out how Infinite/God "knows all things" before they even happen for us? I know God is both Infinite and Eternal, so He does not need to "travel in spacetime", which doesn't even exist. But since what we call 'time' is actually events, or 'moments', how does God see moments, or those 'frames' that didn't happen yet?
I know the answer, it is in who God Is: Infinite and Eternal, so all the frames of the past and future are "in Him", but how do I, or anyone created have Free will then?
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What if we are in God's past? God has already witnessed everything, hence "knows all things" Like a saved recorded video game, you know what happens at the end. You can rewind it, edit and possibly make changes to it. While that's overly simplistic it's basically applying the theoretical 11 dimensions, m-theory, string theory.
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Only God, or Infinite wouldn't need m-theory or string-theory, God is not just Infinite, but Eternal also, so He has no past or future, right? It's all in the Now with God, so what you said is very possible, because "time" doesn't exist as some thing, only events exist, so yeah, we could be just an old photo album for God.
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Applesauce when you say God has not past, not furfure, and is only in the now you are describing God by witness as a numerical axiom of logic.
Mean wile is the absolute of time that sets the 11-dimensions and the 1-dimensions in continuum to share single states periodically. (00:00:00:00:00:000:000:000:000:000:0000:0000:0000) this ratio will be rounded down to this ratio (00:) then expand back to (00:00:00:00:00:000:000:000:000:000:0000:0000:0000).
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Time:
Newton: "absolute, true and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature, flows equably without relation to anything external."
Einstein's special theory of relativity. "Einstein showed that there isn't a universal time, your time and my time get out of step with each other if we move differently." In other words, the duration of time between two events can vary depending on how fast you are moving in the period between the events.
Evidence: Time does not exist as a real thing, nor does it have its own nature, nor does it flow equably without relation to anything external, for without motion why bother with time, so Newton is in error.
Einstein's "us moving differently" does not have an effect on anything, neither the clocks (Hafele Keating were liars) nor on the individual events. If John takes the plane from LA to NY, and Bill walks, both of their clocks will tick the same rate. The only difference will be that John will have time to do other things instead of traveling. But they both are spending their same time, or actually, both of their clocks will tick as they did at the start of their trip, and both clocks could be off, but won't change a thing!
Bill could slow his watch down so slow as to equal his passing of watch-time with John, so when he gets to NY, they could match their clocks of arrival to the same hour, minute and second. It's ridiculous to try to make time as something real.
So time is not real, only the present, the Now exists. You can touch it, play with it, use it, and walk on it forward or backwards, but not on time.
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Yes, Time is Real and not everyone knows how to read all maps when lost. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
John_C_87 Are you a mathematician? Hobby Computer programmer. New Einstein was wrong before I even entered High school.
I have some issues with quoting Newton recorded work as the writing was in French and translations appeared to have brought up questions the way it had been translated between notes I could find in French, copies taken supposed by his notes.
I will be to the point so forgive any non-subtleties. Einstein simply admits to having no clue about mathematic absolute time in his work, Einstein also is notorious for a fascination with Pi, This is the fingerprint used to track two types of fixed algebra. Newton’s and Einstein’s, you may not understand this at this point. I can explain as we go on. Otherwise an uncanny ability to plagiarize some of the mathematics used by what was absolute magmatic time before the 1950’s sometime + or – Einstein’s use of second hand insights into the world of time and the use of forced fixed equation to manipulate mathematic use Pi in his introduction of general relativity was far less subtle than Isaac Newton mathematic work to remove Pi form Absolute Time.
I am not going to bother you with my colorful worded examples at this point on numerical facts. Absolute Time starts a ratio (12:60, 1:60, and 1:60). When you say Time does not exist in the Universe you are setting a stage. Absolute Time does exist in the universe unseen. This is due to fact that unlike space junk and debris Isaac Newton had placed time there without even knowing the universe was outside our solar system.
Your colorful antidote; John will not be resetting any of his clocks with Bill, as John, not Jonathan, has in fact for this trip dedicated one clock to the used for the several known time zones. What looks to be happening here is John has many more known time zones than William or even Williams and his friends. John_C_89 may even have more Mathematic forms of Time than Isaac Newton, John has not met him so is not sure but admired the work left to us all. John has an additional yPi which is not Ernestine’s lucky Pi which he felt my benefit the world.
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